Posts by Incognigo Montoya

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The awful treatment of my disfellowshipped cousin still continues

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

my cousin was disfellowshipped twenty years ago when he was 18 years old.

he admitted to the congregation elders that he was fornicating with his ''wordly'' girlfriend.

the elders were following him and hiding in their cars to see what he was up to.

Incognigo Montoya

How does your cousin feel about this? What is his status, pomo, or pomi? It's crazy the level to which a relative, especially a parent, will go to avoid association with a disfellowshipped son or daughter. I've been on the receiving end (almost exact experience as your cousin) and it sucks. I wasn't even shunned to that extreme, as my parents still talked to me and saw me, on occasion. Not having normal family relationships or communication, because of a religious policy, stemming from a youthful "indiscretion", hurts, and is mentally abusive. But the organization seems to have doubled down on their shunning in recent years, when that video came out in 2016, showing the mother, not even answering her phone, when her df daughter called.

2 things; 1. Does he think of going back, just to regain some sort of relationship with his family? 2. Is he stable and strong enough to realize that he made it this far without them, he doesn't need them, or the drama they insist on creating, in his life?

My heart goes out to him and his wife and child. What a waste of time it all is. When his father gets to the end of his life, he will be filled with regret, even if he's too stubborn to admit it, and his son, with hurt. At least when a parent dies, there is a physical reason you can no longer communicate. But all that time, 20 years pass, and you're completely capable of communication, able to share in your sons life, but you choose not to. Go out of your way not to. It hurts to think about it, and to remember.

How fucking selfish are they, his parents, trying to circumvent their son, in order to see their grandchild. Making their grandchild and daughter in law, pawns in their sick game of shunning. And yet I cant even be angry with parents for doing this, as they are conditioned and brainwashed into doing this, by the organization. Absolutely heart breaking.

I hope your cousin, and his wife, have a good, strong, loving, happy, life, and family. He deserves it.

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Are You Horrifed if Someone Goes Into a “Massage Parlor”?

by minimus in

jw
friends

yesterday, robert kraft, the owner of the new england patriots, got busted for getting a massage and more.

they say there is another more high profile person who also got busted.. does this stuff upset you that some men have gone into a massage parlor for possibly more than a massage?

?.

Incognigo Montoya

I cannot know what was in mr Kraft's head or heart. But I can speculate given what I know of the situation, and human nature, which is all any of us can do really, unless, minimus, you're a close companion and part of Mr. Krafts brain trust, in which case I will happily concede to your take on the matter.

Why would multiple men, with tremendous wealth, all be frequenting small, insignificant massage parlors, spending a pittance, just for a happy ending? Really? That innocent? Any of these guys could purchase any prostitute anywhere in the world, and pay them to perform any sex act they wish, anywhere they wish to have it, at any time, literally millions of times over. When you have that much power, it is no longer a challenge. It all can easily become vanilla. This is how and why some of the filthy rich can, and sometimes do, become involved in shady and sinister things, that leaves the rest of us in the peanut gallery scratching our heads, thinking, how could someone with so much money be so stupid as to get themselves into this situation, or get caught. The fact that there are multiple wealthy men involved leads me to speculate that they knew what was going on. As I stated before, I have no problems with people engaging in sex for money, as long as every one is a consenting adult. But, if we are to believe the story, the women involved were not. They were sex slaves. And I'm sorry, but these guys knew it. There's really no other plausible reason (imo. there, is that better, minimus?) for them to be involved. I guess we'll see what the outcome is. Perhaps mr. Kraft is an innocent party in all of this. Maybe he just innocently wandered into one of these establishments simply in search of a massage, and nothing more.

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Are You Horrifed if Someone Goes Into a “Massage Parlor”?

by minimus in

jw
friends

yesterday, robert kraft, the owner of the new england patriots, got busted for getting a massage and more.

they say there is another more high profile person who also got busted.. does this stuff upset you that some men have gone into a massage parlor for possibly more than a massage?

?.

Incognigo Montoya

No, I'm just not naive.

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/23/us/robert-kraft-trafficking-florida.html

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Are You Horrifed if Someone Goes Into a “Massage Parlor”?

by minimus in

jw
friends

yesterday, robert kraft, the owner of the new england patriots, got busted for getting a massage and more.

they say there is another more high profile person who also got busted.. does this stuff upset you that some men have gone into a massage parlor for possibly more than a massage?

?.

Incognigo Montoya

Make no mistake, when you have all the money in the world, everything can become vanilla. There's a better than good chance that those men went to that massage parlour because they knew those women were sex trafficked slaves. Knowing they are forced into sexual acts, unwillingly, is what gets them off. But they can plead ignorance, since it's some low key strip mall joint. A bit more difficult to deny if it were something a bit more personal, like having them over to the sex dungeon in their castle, or some seedy back room of a club, or members only fraternity.

No problem from me when all parties are willing participants, in the transaction. But when its women who are unwillingly forced, it's rape. Even worse if it's underage girls. These billionaires knew what they were doing and they need to be tossed in prison and the key to their cell needs to be lost.

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Beware of divulging any personal info on this site!

by Crazyguy2 in

hey this is crazyguy, forgot my password so this is my new name.

anyway be sure to all you new ones that if you post any personal info on this forum or respond to pms asking for email addresses this information maybe able to be used by wt spies to try and find out who you are!

someone has recently pmd me asking for my email address or more accurately to respond to his email address which would give him mine, this maybe an innocent request but this person also has no posting history.

Incognigo Montoya

I think there are plenty of self righteous do gooders who happily spy on here for free. I doubt its sanctioned by the higher ups, just something that's done if an overzealous elder or member gets suspicious. Like someone previously said, it's more someone making their fb page public, posting apostate messages, and exposing their email, which can lead to linking them to this website. Mostly becoming an evidence chain for a JC.

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7 Jehovah’s Witnesses Brutally Tortured in Russia

by Drearyweather in

https://jw-russia.org/en/news/19021923-622.html.

at least seven of jehovah’s witnesses were subjected to torture—electric shocks, suffocation, and cruel beatings—on the first floor of the russian investigative committee’s building at ul.

ostrovskogo, d. 47, in surgut.

Incognigo Montoya

Absolutely horrible. Those poor pawns being subjected to torture in what amounts to a Salem witch hunt.

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Diversity is White Genocide

by corrie54 in

asia for the asians, africa for the africans, white countries for everybody!.

everybody says there is this race problem.

everybody says this race problem will be solved when the third world pours into every white country and only into white countries.. the netherlands and belgium are just as crowded as japan or taiwan, but nobody says japan or taiwan will solve this race problem by bringing in millions of third worlders and quote assimilating unquote with them.. everybody says the final solution to this race problem is for every white country and only white countries to “assimilate,” i.e., intermarry, with all those non-whites.. what if i said there was this race problem and this race problem would be solved only if hundreds of millions of non-blacks were brought into every black country and only into black countries?.

Incognigo Montoya

12 Apostates, your integration argument is something I agree with. As I've stated previously in this thread, I have no issues with individuals, no matter race, creed, or culture, coming to this country, legally, as long as they are here to benefit society, not pilfer and suck it dry, or worse, undermine and sabotage our society. You are right, there are far worse, much more important things to address. We dont need the bullshit plague that is illegal immigrants, and the ilk they bring, or legal immigrants looking to game the system, or the politicians and business leaders looking to exploit them, to add to the other issues we face. Build a wall. Secure all our borders. Overhaul and rebuild our immigration policies. Address those illegal immigrants who are already here. Give those who are positively helping our society, amnesty, deport all the rest, who are not. Problem solved. Move on to the next issue:

Yes, there is a segment of our society that has a problem with white, heterosexual males. There's not really anything any of us can do about it without looking like a bunch of whiny bitches. What needs to be addressed is giving people anything based on the color of their skin, or their genetailia. No handouts. No breaks. No extras. No scholarships. You get what you get, based on effort and achievement. Sure, luck will always play a role, as will some other factors. But this is the only truly just, and fair way of giving everyone an equal opportunity, without discriminantely holding anyone else back. Punish those who do so. There... problem solved; next problem...

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Diversity is White Genocide

by corrie54 in

asia for the asians, africa for the africans, white countries for everybody!.

everybody says there is this race problem.

everybody says this race problem will be solved when the third world pours into every white country and only into white countries.. the netherlands and belgium are just as crowded as japan or taiwan, but nobody says japan or taiwan will solve this race problem by bringing in millions of third worlders and quote assimilating unquote with them.. everybody says the final solution to this race problem is for every white country and only white countries to “assimilate,” i.e., intermarry, with all those non-whites.. what if i said there was this race problem and this race problem would be solved only if hundreds of millions of non-blacks were brought into every black country and only into black countries?.

Incognigo Montoya

The 12 apostates, LUHE was addressing Nevuelas comment. Instead of immediately reacting to LUHE's statement in a negative and demeaning way, why not take it all in context and add your thoughts/constructive criticism on the topic?... or just not say anything at all.

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Diversity is White Genocide

by corrie54 in

asia for the asians, africa for the africans, white countries for everybody!.

everybody says there is this race problem.

everybody says this race problem will be solved when the third world pours into every white country and only into white countries.. the netherlands and belgium are just as crowded as japan or taiwan, but nobody says japan or taiwan will solve this race problem by bringing in millions of third worlders and quote assimilating unquote with them.. everybody says the final solution to this race problem is for every white country and only white countries to “assimilate,” i.e., intermarry, with all those non-whites.. what if i said there was this race problem and this race problem would be solved only if hundreds of millions of non-blacks were brought into every black country and only into black countries?.

Incognigo Montoya

Let's get real, and simplify:

Illegal entry into a country is... illegal. It is breaking the law. Committing a crime. The media, politicians, and all the do gooders in the world, are blurring lines, when they simply refer to them as "immigrants". Arguably many of these illegal immigrants are not career criminals, simply looking to better their lives. There are, though, a number of illegal immigrants who are criminals, looking for a more prosperous country from which to plunder, exploit, or terrorize the legal citizens. Who really wants those people here? How do we keep them out? By having a system that screens individuals wishing to enter this country and become a citizen. Wait, we already have that...

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Should I do this?

by CivilServant79 in

hi there this is my first post as i’m not sure what to do.

my family (both sides) are well known in our circuit and very dedicated to the truth.

but we’re relatively normal people and i love them all so much.

Incognigo Montoya

You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say, can and will, be used against you in a Judicial committee....

Even if there ends up being no jc it will be used against you by any and all witnesses you come in contact with, thereafter.